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	<title>Comments on: Winning or Losing a City (pt. 7) &#8211; Denominations</title>
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		<title>By: reuben</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eric - That&#039;s high praise of baptist churches! I guess i&#039;ve not had a great deal of experience with them apart from through friends like yourself...
Maybe I need to get into believer&#039;s only baptism :-)

I&#039;m convinced that you&#039;re right: &#039;they won’t want to come under any extra banner&#039;. And maybe even for good reasons like just wanting to get on with what they&#039;re already doing etc. I just reckon there is good long term value in common identification and co-ordinated use of resources.

The core of my vision is still with seeing the need and pursuing it at the local level as per earlier posts. And like you say many are already right on board with this. These thoughts about brands are more higher-level/down the track/secondary importance stuff. I still reckon it would be good and valuable though.

Love to see that kind of thing mapped...as and if you have the time and interest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eric &#8211; That&#8217;s high praise of baptist churches! I guess i&#8217;ve not had a great deal of experience with them apart from through friends like yourself&#8230;<br />
Maybe I need to get into believer&#8217;s only baptism <img src='http://www.reubenland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that you&#8217;re right: &#8216;they won’t want to come under any extra banner&#8217;. And maybe even for good reasons like just wanting to get on with what they&#8217;re already doing etc. I just reckon there is good long term value in common identification and co-ordinated use of resources.</p>
<p>The core of my vision is still with seeing the need and pursuing it at the local level as per earlier posts. And like you say many are already right on board with this. These thoughts about brands are more higher-level/down the track/secondary importance stuff. I still reckon it would be good and valuable though.</p>
<p>Love to see that kind of thing mapped&#8230;as and if you have the time and interest!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some denoms have more bureacracy than others. (And I mean bureacracy in a good way - resource sharing etc). The more autonomous chs (pentecostal, CoC, baptist) do less of this. The baptist union closed its bible college because it was almost walking distance from both BCSA and Tabor. On the downside it means they can&#039;t get ministry going well in poor areas.

I think with &quot;go to a baptist church&quot; in Adelaide you can&#039;t go too far wrong, having visited over a dozen over the years. Theologically and purpose-wise not too diverse though the style of service varies a bit.

The Hope mission network is a large explicitly evangelical subset of the Uniting Ch in SA, with over 60 churches in the state. If you add 3DNet, who are also largely on the same page, you&#039;ve got over 100 including some biggies.

Having heard a lot about Sydney Anglicans there are great bonuses when a major (and wealthy) denom has its act together. But most of the action is happening at more local levels.

There are plenty of churches who really want to do their part in winning the city, but they won&#039;t want to come under any extra banner. Many of us see the different denoms as there only for historical reasons - we are grateful for the work they do, but none of them are going to be a really key part of God&#039;s plan. I&#039;ll be back later with more ideas on how the mission (usually to a local people group rather than the whole city) should at least in part dictate how we organise.

And some time I might set up Mappage in such a way that we can map out where the reformed/conservative churches are that strongly match your vision and look at the implications of the map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some denoms have more bureacracy than others. (And I mean bureacracy in a good way &#8211; resource sharing etc). The more autonomous chs (pentecostal, CoC, baptist) do less of this. The baptist union closed its bible college because it was almost walking distance from both BCSA and Tabor. On the downside it means they can&#8217;t get ministry going well in poor areas.</p>
<p>I think with &#8220;go to a baptist church&#8221; in Adelaide you can&#8217;t go too far wrong, having visited over a dozen over the years. Theologically and purpose-wise not too diverse though the style of service varies a bit.</p>
<p>The Hope mission network is a large explicitly evangelical subset of the Uniting Ch in SA, with over 60 churches in the state. If you add 3DNet, who are also largely on the same page, you&#8217;ve got over 100 including some biggies.</p>
<p>Having heard a lot about Sydney Anglicans there are great bonuses when a major (and wealthy) denom has its act together. But most of the action is happening at more local levels.</p>
<p>There are plenty of churches who really want to do their part in winning the city, but they won&#8217;t want to come under any extra banner. Many of us see the different denoms as there only for historical reasons &#8211; we are grateful for the work they do, but none of them are going to be a really key part of God&#8217;s plan. I&#8217;ll be back later with more ideas on how the mission (usually to a local people group rather than the whole city) should at least in part dictate how we organise.</p>
<p>And some time I might set up Mappage in such a way that we can map out where the reformed/conservative churches are that strongly match your vision and look at the implications of the map.</p>
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